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| STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA COUNTY OF AVERY The Avery County Board of Commissioners met in Regular Session on Monday, July 3, 2006 at 3:00 p.m. in their offices, Avery County Administrative Complex, Newland, NC. Members Present: Kenny Poteat, Chairman; Joe Strickland, Phyllis Forbes and Bill Beuttell Members Absent: Susan Pittman Call to Order Proclamations & Awards Public Appearance Bill Beuttell commented that he is glad to be back home, that he
was recently in Alabama where the temperature was 97 degrees. Phyllis
Forbes commented that she wouldn’t want to be anywhere else. Appointment of Voting Delegate, NCACC Discussion on which Board Members would be able to attend this year’s
NCACC Conference. NACO Conference Tax Collector Report – Mary Daniels Mary advised that she will be providing the Board with some figures on year-end collections in the near future. Chairman Poteat advised that he will not be in attendance at the next Regular Meeting in July. Legislative Bill on Tax Collections Medicaid Costs Bill Beuttell asked if anyone knows if the State Legislature bumps
up their salaries. I don’t know how much they make anyway,
he said, and I can’t find out. He suggested that they be paid
based on how well they stimulate the N.C. economy, and if they don’t,
then they would receive no perks, Bill said. County Manager Report – Robert Wiseman Code Violations at Avery High School Chairman Poteat stated that he was here when we were part of the Elmer Aldridge Complex. At that time we had the old bleachers. Once the old bleachers were condemned and we saw fit to build new ones, then once the new ones were put in place, apparently we lost our grandfathering, which caused this dilemma with needing new restroom facilities at the complex. Tommy Burleson replied that there were bathrooms down there when the stadium was originally built which drained to a septic tank across the road. Since then, we went to the Newland sewer system. When the Commissioners spent $700,000 for a new set of bleachers, they then had a “significant renovation”. In order to comply with Title II Equal Opportunity Employers, you have to maintain your 1993 ADA Accessibility with the Americans with Disabilities Act. Technically you have ADA ramps on the top of the bleachers. There is supposed to be an ADA accessible port-a-john at the top where the scorer’s booth and handicapped ramps are located, at all times. When I gave the schools the letter stating that they were required to put another bank of bathroom facilities at the bottom of the bleachers, it just kept falling through the cracks, Burleson said. I sent two letters to Mr. Tatum in 2004 telling him that these facilities were required and that the state was expecting them to live up to their responsibilities under the ADA Act and the Equal Opportunity Employers. Kenny Poteat clarified that when we made the “significant
improvement” to the facility, that mandated by law the fact
that we did not have ample restroom facilities at that complex. Kenny
asked Tommy Burleson about the minimum number of restroom facilities
we would need to add in order to be in compliance. Tommy said he
felt we are looking at a facility for a minimum of 5 females and
6 males if we go back to the 1968 code when the stadium was originally
built. If you want to bring it up to 2006 code, then you will have
a larger number, Tommy said. Kenny Poteat asked about the proximity or number of feet that a person has to walk in order to get to the facility. He asked if the location of the proposed auxiliary gym would be in close enough proximity with the restroom facilities it would provide in order to meet the requirement. Tommy said it would for the upper level, but not the lower level; you have to have bathrooms at the bottom and top levels, Tommy said. Joe reiterated that we still need to give them time to work on this because we have Tommy at a disadvantage in having to talk off the top of his head about this when there is more to this than just the facilities involved. There is a commitment of $600,000 that we are going to have to redefine. I recommend that with the exception of “The Rock”, that we freeze this money and that we give the Manager an opportunity to look at what can be done in some priority manner with the money that is allocated. Then we have stakeholders who need input to this, the Board of Education. If we freeze the money, then move on with “The Rock” part of the project, then instruct the Manager and give him the resources to come back after dialog with Tommy as to a priority list to consider. Then we could meet with the Board of Education and conclude what we are going to do, when, where, in what order, and how much it will cost, Strickland said. Kenny agreed that freezing the money would be an excellent way to handle this. He asked for a consensus of the Board if they have any problem with freezing the money, other than the expenditure for removing “The Rock.” The Board approved utilizing this method by consensus. Kenny Poteat said if we have to have bathrooms both at the top and bottom of the bleachers, we may not be able to do anything with this project other than build bathrooms, because there may not be enough money. Joe Strickland said the priority list is nothing more than a starting point for conversation on this matter. The Board of Education may have an entirely different viewpoint on this project that we must taken into consideration in order to continue the relationship that we have worked so hard to establish with them. Bill Beuttell said he hopes that once this information is collected
and disseminated that we will move along with all the projects. We
have been working on this for quite a while. Even the estimate Mr.
Eggers gave us for the removal of the rock has been pivotal. He has
been ill in the hospital. Before we can get a comparison of these
other estimates, we need to have some type of physical description
of what Eggers was going to do for his $55,000 estimate so we can
compare apples to apples, etc. Joe Strickland suggested that this project be spread out, and that until the Manager has an opportunity to come up with a constructive plan of action, all we will be doing is laboring over it. Phyllis Forbes agreed we need to put this on hold for now, with the exception of “The Rock” part of the project and that we should move full speed with that portion of the project. Robert Wiseman advised he is presently looking for someone to do the work, and that most of the larger grading companies in Avery County are pretty well booked up right now. Chairman Poteat asked Tommy Burleson how much time we have on this project. Tommy advised that he needs some engineering within the next 4 to 6 weeks. Joe Strickland added that the Manager will come up with a plan that we can accomplish with the resources allocated, then we will have a joint meeting with the Board of Education to see if they are agreeable or if we need to make other changes, then move on. Bill Beuttell invited the Manager and Joe Strickland to visit the new auxiliary gym in Boone where they are holding championship wrestling matches. Annual Report – Joe Shoupe, Forest Ranger Shoupe reported that one of his goals was to develop a pre-arranged crew interested in specialized fire control. He said that they have developed a Strike Team in the county composed of all volunteer firemen and that there are currently 20 members in this team. Shoupe reported that his department assisted Green Valley VFD in
getting a brush truck, a used 1977 model from Government Surplus. Joe Shoupe reported that he has a part-time helper who works 7 ½ months during peak fire season. There has been some talk that in the future they might convert to a temporary part-time position to an assistant County Ranger with benefits, Shoupe said. Discussion held on problems with predatory insects destroying the hemlock. Discussion also held regarding current attempts through the American Chestnut Foundation to reintroduce chestnut trees back into the forests in Avery County using controlled pollination. County Manager Report – Robert Wiseman Board Policies for Longevity Pay, Pay for Accrued Vacation & Supplemental
Health Insurance for Retirees Pay for Accrued Vacation Policy Supplemental Health Insurance for Retirees Longevity Compensation Report on Animal Control in Surrounding Areas – Robert
Wiseman Avery County has not, is not now and unless we change things, we should not be and can’t be held accountable for the operation of a public, not-for-profit corporation. The Avery Commissioners are not responsible. There is nothing I could find on record anywhere that says we are responsible as to whether the Humane Society stays in operation. Personally, I don’t think it is the best use of the public’s money to operate, support and guarantee the operation of an adoption service for stray dogs and cats. I would beg the Board to continue on with what I am doing until our next meeting. During that time, I will compose, with all the help I can get, some kind of agreement that stipulates what the peoples’ money is going to be spent for and it will stipulate that the Board of Commissioners is not responsible for whether or not this non-profit corporation stays in operation. We have two organizations that we currently finance (non-profit corporations); the Fire Commission and the Avery County Airport Authority. They were created at the request of the Board of Commissioners by act of the Legislature through a local act and we are responsible for them. We allocate money to several non-profit organizations and we are not responsible for whether or not they operate. We make an allocation just like private citizens make a donation. I think that if we are going to stipulate what the peoples’ money is spent for with respect to the Humane Society, then we need to do the same thing for everybody else, from the Shriners to ACADA to Hospice, etc. There is no paper trail on how that money is spent. I think the time has come, and it has been spurred on by what we have been going through in the last couple of weeks, to hold the people who receive taxpayers’ money accountable for how the money is being spent. A lot of counties make allocations to all kinds of humane interests. Those monies, as a general rule, are spent for spay/neuter, for paying for services rendered by a veterinarian, to pay for rabies vaccine, hepatitis vaccine and all these other vaccinations that are given, but not to run an adoption agency. Bill Beuttell asked if we have an understanding with persons to whom we give an allocation that after we give them an allocation, in the event that they close their doors, then they must return any and all funds allocated to them. Discussion. That should be an understanding that with any organization we allocate funds to that after their doors are closed, that money has to be returned, Bill said. Tim Greene added that any allocation up to $5,000 is given to the organization up-front. If it is over $5,000, we give it to them on a quarterly basis. Robert Wiseman said that depending upon several factors, such as holidays, etc., a quarterly allocation usually goes out between the first and the fifteenth of the month. I would recommend that we do not send any of the FY 2006-07 money out until we have some kind of agreement between the Avery County Board of Commissioners and the Humane Society. Phyllis Forbes commented that from what she has been told by Alice Sudderth that she does not think that the Shelter will be closing. However, if it did close, by statute, what are we required as a County to do as far as providing rabies vaccinations, opportunities for people picking up animals, etc. Do you know, by statute, what the Shelter might be doing for us as a county that we would be responsible for if they didn’t exist, Phyllis asked. Robert gave an example of the way other counties handle it. Alleghany County has a part-time person who works at the landfill but part of his salary is paid as Animal Control and the other half through Solid Waste. If there is a call for a vicious, injured or suspected rabid animal, that person goes with a vehicle and the necessary equipment and picks up the animal. He then takes the animal to the Vet in Sparta. That Vet impounds the animal, charges them the cost, plus 15%, to water, feed observe and euthanize it if necessary, after an appropriate period of time. State law says that any animal 4 months of age has to be vaccinated for rabies. I don’t think the county wants to assume that responsibility, Robert said. I am going to take up for the Humane Society Phyllis said. I can
see how hard Alice works. The reason I got involved in politics is
because I opposed the Humane Society, which was built across from
my house, Phyllis said, and here I sit, years later, supporting it.
I know how well it is run and I know what a service they provide
to this county. How many stray animals would we have running around
and with rabies knocking on our door? A rabid bobcat was found and
confirmed last week at Grassy Creek in Mitchell County. That information
came from Tommy Singleton this morning, Forbes said. Phyllis said she is not saying we should give them unlimited funds and not make them accountable for taxpayers’ dollars. I agree with you that there has to be a happy medium in that regard. However, I don’t think we can just say that we won’t give them any more money. Robert said that is not what he is proposing, either. He said if we give any organization x amount of dollars without any accountability or without any expectations, then 11 months from now we will be sitting here doing the same thing we are doing right now. Phyllis said are you saying that we ask for accountability from every organization that we allocate funds to? Robert said yes, I am, starting with Avery Central Rescue Squad, Linville Rescue Squad and the Humane Society. Joe Strickland said I think we have the cart before the horse. We shouldn’t be dealing with personalities or particular organizations. We should be dealing with the county’s obligation with a rabies program and an animal control program. As a political subdivision of state government, we have the responsibility to protect the health and welfare of the people who live in this community and rabies control is one of them, Joe said. This entire process should be driven by an ordinance and until we get a handle on what we expect in an ordinance, we cannot put a handle on where we would purchase these services, whether we would do it ourselves or purchase it from a Veterinarian or the Humane Society. I am led to believe that there may be more than one Animal Shelter in this county before too long, Joe said. I would suggest to this Board and the Manager that the first obligation we have is to rabies control that protects humans, animals that are hunted as well as the animals we use to hunt. We can do that with financial resources in a vaccination program which can be purchased either through the Humane Society or a Veterinarian or a number of other sources. It can be done in a cost effective way. We can discuss where the money will come from later on. The second element of that equation is animal control. I would suggest that only by law, only when the Health Department advocates an epidemic, should we have the most stringent control that we can find. I also suggest that we could have that element far more cost effectively by purchasing that service as opposed to a donation that we hand out to one organization. For us to sit here and labor over what we should do is going to be to no avail, in my opinion, until we decide what we wish to do with a rabies control ordinance which has a stringent animal control element as a part of it, based on the recommendations of the Health Department. When we have that, then the Manager can better define where to go and purchase those services. I am very uncomfortable sitting here talking about one organization vs. another, when the problem is really what we are going to do with animal control or a rabies control ordinance. Phyllis Forbes said the point is that we have been talking about
this subject for we have not done one thing about it. The only thing
that has happened is that the Humane Society has stepped up to the
plate or we would have had nothing in this County except what an
individual Vet did. The point is that we need to get off our duffs
and do something and make a decision and get on with it, Phyllis
said. Robert Wiseman said we could continue this dialog for some time. Do I have the consensus of the Board to pursue what I have been pursuing and present a report and recommendations to the Board at the next meeting? Kenny Poteat said he wanted to comment before we seek a consensus on this request. Kenny said that some excellent points were made. Phyllis made an excellent comment in regard to statutory requirements to protect the people of Avery County. Joe made a good comment about rabies control. Beyond that, we are morally responsible to protect the people of Avery County. I think that no matter what medium we use, whether it is the Animal Shelter or contracted services, that we should continue to endeavor to supply monies to vaccinate the animals as required both morally and statutorily. That would be part of what the Manager researches. Robert said he felt that at this present time, I feel that the Animal Shelter is the only viable agency. Let me make it clear, I am not suggesting that we do not fund the Animal Shelter, Robert said. I think it needs to have some degree of control from this Board as to how the monies are spent; it needs to be for rabies control, spay/neuter, for vaccine or whatever. I think that if we don’t like what we are getting, then we need to change what we are doing. I don’t think anybody likes what we are getting right now; we’re not satisfied with it. That’s the Humane Society side and the Board of Commissioners side as well. Joe Strickland said he didn’t think we could plan what to do unless we have an ordinance of some sort, because this all hinges on some sort of ordinance. I think the ordinance would give us a clear picture of what we are going to do with rabies and vaccination and license and unlicensed animals, etc. Robert Wiseman said that the recommendation that he comes back to the Board with will not be his recommendation. I want the input for the proposed ordinance and the proposed statement of accountability not to be generated by my office or any particular individual, but something that contrary to what has happened in the past that everybody involved in can live with. The previous Animal Control Ordinance was 99% controlled under the General Statutes, which says if your dog barks, you cow lows, your roosters cackle, it’s a nuisance and an Animal Control Officer can impound those animals. That would not work here in Avery County. That’s the reason that everything has failed so miserably in the past, Robert said. Bill Beuttell said we have a rural, simple lifestyle here that we all cherish. I have lived here for 25 years and have never seen that we need stringent ordinances put in place for rabies. I want us to be very careful in any kind of ordinance for animal control. We enjoy a simple lifestyle here and I don’t want to see neighbors pitted against other neighbors because a dog is barking, etc. I won’t vote for anything like that, Bill said. Joe Strickland said the Hunters Association asked to be involved in any ordinance we consider. If they are involved, I think this thing will come down as smooth as silk. You would not have to invoke any collection of stray animals unless there was an epidemic, Joe said. Bill Beuttell said he feels that if the Humane Society can explain
to the County Manager what the County’s appropriation is going
to be used for, then he feels we should release that quarterly allocation
to them so they can continue running until we can figure out a better
solution to this problem. If they are going to shut their doors,
then we need to go to a Veterinarian and give them money to run this
program, Bill suggested. Joe said nobody is advocating cutting the
money off. Joe Strickland recommended that we start this with an ordinance so we will have a driving force. Phyllis felt that all stakeholders need to be involved in this matter. She said she talked with Alice Sudderth and Robert Wiseman about this issue last week. Alice is willing to sit down with all of them and come to an agreement on what we need, Phyllis said. Joe asked whether or not we would then use the Animal Shelter in the event of quarantine. Robert said if we are providing money to that organization, then it is not a question of whether or not we would use them in such an event, the fact is that if we provide that money then we would use them. That would be part of the deal. He said we have fought this fight for 20 years and it is now time to either fish or cut bait. It was agreed by the Board that the County Manager would make a recommendation on this issue at the next Regular Meeting. County Attorney Report – Michaelle Poore Approval of Minutes Agenda Consent Items The Agenda Consent Items were adopted by a consensus of the Board. Upcoming Meetings Discussion on when the next joint meeting will be held with the Board of Education. The Manager asked that the Board allow him some time to work on the two issues assigned by the Board today before they set another meeting with the Board of Education. Brief discussion held on what information needs to be compiled regarding the project for the bathroom facilities at the High School and the time frame for that project. Robert said he has contacted Beeson, Lusk & Street to come and look at the site, get some topo maps from our Mapping Dept., and get some cost estimates for the project. Following discussion with Robert, the Board said they may be holding an early August meeting with the Board of Education. Adjourn
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